Koliko ste kaj izgubili kilogramov med hujšanjem?

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[spartan.]

V dveh mescih 12kg. Iz 82 na 70, pokuril sem skoraj vso odvečno maščobo, le na spodnjem delu trebuha in nekaj okoli pasu mi je ostalo še kar nekaj, pa me zanima kaj naj naredim za naprej, se splača it na maso al bi raje prej pokuril vso maščobo, strah me je, da bi prišel do 65kg TT preden bi porabil vso odvečno salo

[svabo]

Pejd na maso,pri 65kg te lahko še odpihne

[gazda09]

Nov podatek

v 6 mesecih shujšal 26kg in kilogrami še padajo, pri hujšanju ne hodim v fitnes in ne jemljem praške, tablete samo velik povdarek na zadravi prehrani (ala kakšne omake, mesu pečeno na masti, fast food, ....je treba kar pozabit).
Vem pa da, če bi hodil v fitnes in imel še bolj urejen jedilnik bi shujšal še več. Debeli ljudje lahko tud več, kot 1kg/teden izgubijo.

[gapi]

Pejd na maso,pri 65kg te lahko še odpihne

65kg je pa res mal za moškega, no...razen če si pritlikav...

pol tut če si zdefiniran zgledaš k pajk...ne vem no...jst sm za maso-takoj!!! 

[spartan.]

Pritlikav :DDD... 182cm mam pa 70kg... jz bi sou takoj na maso, sam ko mi gre res na živce maščoba na trebuhu :S

[gapi]

Pritlikav :DDD... 182cm mam pa 70kg... jz bi sou takoj na maso, sam ko mi gre res na živce maščoba na trebuhu :S

kaj pa, da bi kakšno sliko objavu?

namreč, včasih (posebno na masi, ko zadrćuješ zaradi OH več vode...namreč 1g glikogena veže 4g vode) je težko ločiti med M in vodo...
laiki in pa nasploh sami to zelo težko opazimo...in to je velik problem veliko obiskovalcev fitnesa...

ni vse M...tudi nastanek M ni tako enaostaven, kot si ljudje predstavljajo...to je velik stres, oz. dosti energije se porabi že za samo izdelavo telesne maščobe...tako, da je večinoma voda tista, ki potem da vtis "zalivanja"...
jaz sem imel isti problem kot ti pred leti...ko prestopiš ta "kompleks", boš napredoval...

BB so na masi/off season vedno "zaliti" in enaostavno grdi 
zavedaj se, da je težje pridobiti MM, kot pa izgubiti M...

pridobivanje M je dolg in neprijeten proces...osebno obdobje mase najbolj sovražim, ker mi gre na ku*ac občutek napihnjenosti in vse to...da o velikem vnostu clean food ne govorim...skos si "poln"...
raje imam definicijo, dejansko...

malo premisli in si razčisti pojme...

[gapi]

EATING FOR  SIZE

by Dante
Originally Printed in Hardcore Muscle Issue #8, 1995

With all the high falutin diets going around everywhere now — it’s very hard to decide which direction to go. In this article I’m going to state some facts and then let you, the reader decide what is best for you. I’m probably going to get some guff from people who have different theories than for what I’m about to write — mainly because it seems passe.

Without a doubt — “bulking up” has gotten a bad name lately, but let me tell you why first. One thing Dan Duchaine really grilled into us during our interview with him - is how the market controls everything. The market honestly is not for the cultish class of rebel bodybuilders who want to get extremely massive and shake the earth at his every step. No, the market is for Joe public who would like to look lean all year round and build some muscle if he can too. And what is the next most important facet – convenience! It must be simple, easy to do, and just not a pain in the ass to follow day in and day out.
Yes, everyone wants to be big muscularly if they can, but to the majority - being lean and muscular is vastly more important. OK, I agree that the majority of bodybuilders out there are in this class. I don’t actually consider those guys HARDCORE in my definition of the word but I must see their side too. To me bodybuilding is about growing not dieting (deprivation).

What I want you to look at is this — the big picture. Do you reading this
want to put on as much muscle, as fast as you possibly can — for the pursuit
of your long-term goal?

Or do you want to maybe compromise muscular gains, growing at a much slower rate but you look lean the whole way while trying to put on muscle? This is the tremendously hard decision you have to make. And yes, I feel it is tremendously hard because no one wants to build muscle at a less then optimum rate and no one wants to be a little fatter than they have to be.

Let’s simplify things shall we? Basically you can divide pretty much all the new and old concept diets into two groups. First there is the moderate to low calorie diets which include (nutrient density, high fat [variation] to fat, low carb) diet theories in which in the overwhelming majority of them the calories are pretty much below 3500.

Then there is the moderate to high calorie diets which include High Protein, Parillo, High fat [again — variation] high carb, etc.) diet theories.

I’m going to be blatantly honest here so bear with me. If you want to stay fairly lean (let’s say optimally lean — that’s a better description) and in a genuinely easy diet concept to follow — all along building muscle along the way (not optimally though), then you should probably be on one of the diets in the first group. You have to do what makes you happy and a lot of you won’t be happy being a little plump even though you will be a lot bigger muscle wise.

As a lot of you know, what looks good on paper doesn’t always play out well in real life. And more than anywhere else diet theories which even in my discerning eyes, look good on paper — definitely don’t play out well in the gym. I must repeat this. You must think this out and decide what makes you happy. I don’t want you guys coming back and saying “Those fuckin’ guys at H.M. made me fat! Yea. I’m a lot bigger but I’m fat!” I ain’t gonna deal with it. (How’s that for some slang) (My grandmother the English teacher would kill me) So now I’m going to state some facts outside the science/paper arena — that I have seen happen in real life. I’m willing to bet that when you guys think about it, you will come to the same conclusions I have.

A) I have never seen a juiced bodybuilder taking in about 3000 calories a day, go beyond the gains of what ONLY the use/abuse of the sauce has let him gain.

Al) I have seen juiced bodybuilders who took in a tremendous amount of calories get muscle gains and thickness at the fastest rate possible, and so beyond the 3000 calorie/nutrient dense bodybuilders that there isn’t even a close comparison, And don’t even try to argue, “Well it looks like it because they are holding more bodyfat.” True, but when these guys come down in weight there is so much more muscle!

B) I have never seen a natural bodybuilder who tried to stay lean year-round, put on a dramatic increase of muscle size. If you added up alt their brutally hardcore workouts there is no way in Hell that 2-4LBS —at the most (I’ve seen O LBS) in a year is worth it!

BI) I have seen natural bodybuilders who make tremendously huge gains in bodyweight between contests, (and take a lot of verbal abuse for it) come in and crush the competition continually because they gain 10-15LBS of muscle underneath fat every year. Natural powerlifters absolutely crush natural bodybuilders in contests decisively. Why? Off-season bulkup!

C) Correction — I have seen genetically gifted African-American
bodybuilders make gains no matter what the Hell they do! And rarely a genetically superb Caucasian bodybuilder too! Ninety-eight percent of you reading this aren’t in those groups so keep reading.

Cl) I guarantee you — GUARANTEE! — that somewhere right now there is a natural bodybuilder right now reading this who is pissed off and saying it is bullshit. This guy trains incredibly hard, eats incredibly clean, uses the best supplements religiously and stays lean and muscular year -round. Don’t try to argue with him, because he is set in his ways—that’s how natural guys (and some juicers too) are. They are right and you are wrong. They are the most holier-than-thou experts around. I only have one thing to say — check the scale! You weighed 188 three years ago and now you weigh 190??!! Great — by 2005 you will weigh 200L8S! CASE CLOSED! Two hundred and eight workouts in a year for a measly pound of muscle!

D) Shawn Ray, Tony Pearson, Porter Cottrell, Lee Labrada, Mike Ashley, Robby Robinson — these are examples of some bodybuilders who stay lean year-round —and there are some very big guys here and also some very good bodybuilders (Ray, Labrada) but honestly how much improvement in muscle mass do you see from year to year!! Not that much.

Dl) Dorian Yates, Nassir El Sombaty, Dave Fisher, Lee Priest, Chris Duffy, Michael Francois. Here are some great and middle of the road bodybuilders too. But all these guys do pound the food and get bigger every year. Especially the first four! Yates, Sombaty and Fisher are all over 30 or close to it. They have been lifting for over 10 years and are gaining big time muscle still. There are some non-wealthy bodybuilders in both groups, so don’t be ignorant and say, “They must use more drugs:”

E) Is this bodybuilding or should it be called “body leaning” because it seems to me that is where all the new diets are leading to in my eyes. The compromising of extreme muscle gains for the general fear of being fat. I want you to ask yourself this —How long does it take to build extreme muscle size? I would say 5-15 years in my opinion, —— — How long does it take to lose body fat once you have reached the huge muscle size you want? 3-5 months??!! You tell me what the focus should be on. A friend reminded me of something There are models and strippers out there that take a lot of steroids (some on the level of chronic abuse) who train hard, eat really clean because they have to stay lean for their job and yet — they look the exact same year after year after year. When they first started using steroids— yes they looked better — but they hit that plateau fairly quick and stayed there.

Do you see my point yet? What is your goal? Is it to be extremely big or extremely lean? If there is a 175 lb bodybuilder out there who wants to weigh 235 lbs with 8% body fat and thinks he will accomplish that with 2800 calories and nutrient density_ man you are really fooling yourself! It will not happen! I promise you, in four years time you just might weigh 195 lbs. If you went ahead and used illegal steroids you might make it to 215 lbs. But honestly, do you know the quickest way there? — Bulking up to about 285 lbs would get you there. Yes, you would probably be pretty fat, and not happy about being that fat but when you came down, you weigh 230-235 lbs. And be very happy. A sacrifice to get to your final goal. — — The people who tout low calorie diets (I’m not putting them down — I respect them) are their main objectives to keep lean or to build muscle? Read into that please. The examples of themselves and the students they give—Was most of the muscle they have now from past bulking diets? Of course they look better now—they are lean! But was the muscle from bulking up??!! Yes it was most of the time.

Do you know what I consider the hardest thing in bodybuilding? Oh yeah, the training and dedication is hard — but to continually pound down 6 meals a day on a continual basis is the utmost of chores and dedication. I don’t miss meals. Ahh, that’s too easy — I don’t miss meals to the best of my ability…OK.

So this is where you have to ask yourself—what are my ultimate goals and what is the happiest way I can get there? Do I want to stay extremely lean and maybe compromise some muscle gains? If I bulk up, will the negative people who wait at every chance to say “Getting kind of fat” affect me? Will society keep me from what I truly want to accomplish? See, I admire Dorian and Nasser because they are driven. You will never see those two with a tucked in dress shirt an in the off-season. They are bulked up. Chubby if you like. But they know what kind of muscle they want to put on and don’t give a fuck what anyone else says on the way there. Dorian caught a lot of flak on how he looked at the Night of Champions at roughly 300LBS. So what? Did you see what he looked like at the 95 Olympia? DOMINATED is the word.

[gapi]

SEM MOGEL ČALANEK MALO SKRAJŠATI, KER JE BIL PREDOLG ZA POST 

SICER PA GA PREBERI IN BOŠ DOJEL MARSIKATERO BISTVO, KI PO TOLIKIH LETIH ŠE VEDNO DRŽI...

PA POGLEJ KAKŠNO SLIKO IZ OFF-SEASON OD OMENJENIH BB...

ne bo ti žal, toliko čas si lahko vzameš  (sem ga jaz več, da sem ti vse to napisal in našel...)

LP 

EATING FOR  SIZE

by Dante
Originally Printed in Hardcore Muscle Issue #8, 1995

With all the high falutin diets going around everywhere now — it’s very hard to decide which direction to go. In this article I’m going to state some facts and then let you, the reader decide what is best for you. I’m probably going to get some guff from people who have different theories than for what I’m about to write — mainly because it seems passe.

Without a doubt — “bulking up” has gotten a bad name lately, but let me tell you why first. One thing Dan Duchaine really grilled into us during our interview with him - is how the market controls everything. The market honestly is not for the cultish class of rebel bodybuilders who want to get extremely massive and shake the earth at his every step. No, the market is for Joe public who would like to look lean all year round and build some muscle if he can too. And what is the next most important facet – convenience! It must be simple, easy to do, and just not a pain in the ass to follow day in and day out.
Yes, everyone wants to be big muscularly if they can, but to the majority - being lean and muscular is vastly more important. OK, I agree that the majority of bodybuilders out there are in this class. I don’t actually consider those guys HARDCORE in my definition of the word but I must see their side too. To me bodybuilding is about growing not dieting (deprivation).

What I want you to look at is this — the big picture. Do you reading this
want to put on as much muscle, as fast as you possibly can — for the pursuit
of your long-term goal?

Or do you want to maybe compromise muscular gains, growing at a much slower rate but you look lean the whole way while trying to put on muscle? This is the tremendously hard decision you have to make. And yes, I feel it is tremendously hard because no one wants to build muscle at a less then optimum rate and no one wants to be a little fatter than they have to be.

Let’s simplify things shall we? Basically you can divide pretty much all the new and old concept diets into two groups. First there is the moderate to low calorie diets which include (nutrient density, high fat [variation] to fat, low carb) diet theories in which in the overwhelming majority of them the calories are pretty much below 3500.

Then there is the moderate to high calorie diets which include High Protein, Parillo, High fat [again — variation] high carb, etc.) diet theories.

I’m going to be blatantly honest here so bear with me. If you want to stay fairly lean (let’s say optimally lean — that’s a better description) and in a genuinely easy diet concept to follow — all along building muscle along the way (not optimally though), then you should probably be on one of the diets in the first group. You have to do what makes you happy and a lot of you won’t be happy being a little plump even though you will be a lot bigger muscle wise.

As a lot of you know, what looks good on paper doesn’t always play out well in real life. And more than anywhere else diet theories which even in my discerning eyes, look good on paper — definitely don’t play out well in the gym. I must repeat this. You must think this out and decide what makes you happy. I don’t want you guys coming back and saying “Those fuckin’ guys at H.M. made me fat! Yea. I’m a lot bigger but I’m fat!” I ain’t gonna deal with it. (How’s that for some slang) (My grandmother the English teacher would kill me) So now I’m going to state some facts outside the science/paper arena — that I have seen happen in real life. I’m willing to bet that when you guys think about it, you will come to the same conclusions I have.

A) I have never seen a juiced bodybuilder taking in about 3000 calories a day, go beyond the gains of what ONLY the use/abuse of the sauce has let him gain.

Al) I have seen juiced bodybuilders who took in a tremendous amount of calories get muscle gains and thickness at the fastest rate possible, and so beyond the 3000 calorie/nutrient dense bodybuilders that there isn’t even a close comparison, And don’t even try to argue, “Well it looks like it because they are holding more bodyfat.” True, but when these guys come down in weight there is so much more muscle!

B) I have never seen a natural bodybuilder who tried to stay lean year-round, put on a dramatic increase of muscle size. If you added up alt their brutally hardcore workouts there is no way in Hell that 2-4LBS —at the most (I’ve seen O LBS) in a year is worth it!

BI) I have seen natural bodybuilders who make tremendously huge gains in bodyweight between contests, (and take a lot of verbal abuse for it) come in and crush the competition continually because they gain 10-15LBS of muscle underneath fat every year. Natural powerlifters absolutely crush natural bodybuilders in contests decisively. Why? Off-season bulkup!

C) Correction — I have seen genetically gifted African-American
bodybuilders make gains no matter what the Hell they do! And rarely a genetically superb Caucasian bodybuilder too! Ninety-eight percent of you reading this aren’t in those groups so keep reading.

Cl) I guarantee you — GUARANTEE! — that somewhere right now there is a natural bodybuilder right now reading this who is pissed off and saying it is bullshit. This guy trains incredibly hard, eats incredibly clean, uses the best supplements religiously and stays lean and muscular year -round. Don’t try to argue with him, because he is set in his ways—that’s how natural guys (and some juicers too) are. They are right and you are wrong. They are the most holier-than-thou experts around. I only have one thing to say — check the scale! You weighed 188 three years ago and now you weigh 190??!! Great — by 2005 you will weigh 200L8S! CASE CLOSED! Two hundred and eight workouts in a year for a measly pound of muscle!

D) Shawn Ray, Tony Pearson, Porter Cottrell, Lee Labrada, Mike Ashley, Robby Robinson — these are examples of some bodybuilders who stay lean year-round —and there are some very big guys here and also some very good bodybuilders (Ray, Labrada) but honestly how much improvement in muscle mass do you see from year to year!! Not that much.

Dl) Dorian Yates, Nassir El Sombaty, Dave Fisher, Lee Priest, Chris Duffy, Michael Francois. Here are some great and middle of the road bodybuilders too. But all these guys do pound the food and get bigger every year. Especially the first four! Yates, Sombaty and Fisher are all over 30 or close to it. They have been lifting for over 10 years and are gaining big time muscle still. There are some non-wealthy bodybuilders in both groups, so don’t be ignorant and say, “They must use more drugs:”

E) Is this bodybuilding or should it be called “body leaning” because it seems to me that is where all the new diets are leading to in my eyes. The compromising of extreme muscle gains for the general fear of being fat. I want you to ask yourself this —How long does it take to build extreme muscle size? I would say 5-15 years in my opinion, —— — How long does it take to lose body fat once you have reached the huge muscle size you want? 3-5 months??!! You tell me what the focus should be on. A friend reminded me of something There are models and strippers out there that take a lot of steroids (some on the level of chronic abuse) who train hard, eat really clean because they have to stay lean for their job and yet — they look the exact same year after year after year. When they first started using steroids— yes they looked better — but they hit that plateau fairly quick and stayed there.

Do you see my point yet? What is your goal? Is it to be extremely big or extremely lean? If there is a 175 lb bodybuilder out there who wants to weigh 235 lbs with 8% body fat and thinks he will accomplish that with 2800 calories and nutrient density_ man you are really fooling yourself! It will not happen! I promise you, in four years time you just might weigh 195 lbs. If you went ahead and used illegal steroids you might make it to 215 lbs. But honestly, do you know the quickest way there? — Bulking up to about 285 lbs would get you there. Yes, you would probably be pretty fat, and not happy about being that fat but when you came down, you weigh 230-235 lbs. And be very happy. A sacrifice to get to your final goal. — — The people who tout low calorie diets (I’m not putting them down — I respect them) are their main objectives to keep lean or to build muscle? Read into that please. The examples of themselves and the students they give—Was most of the muscle they have now from past bulking diets? Of course they look better now—they are lean! But was the muscle from bulking up??!! Yes it was most of the time.

Do you know what I consider the hardest thing in bodybuilding? Oh yeah, the training and dedication is hard — but to continually pound down 6 meals a day on a continual basis is the utmost of chores and dedication. I don’t miss meals. Ahh, that’s too easy — I don’t miss meals to the best of my ability…OK.

So this is where you have to ask yourself—what are my ultimate goals and what is the happiest way I can get there? Do I want to stay extremely lean and maybe compromise some muscle gains? If I bulk up, will the negative people who wait at every chance to say “Getting kind of fat” affect me? Will society keep me from what I truly want to accomplish? See, I admire Dorian and Nasser because they are driven. You will never see those two with a tucked in dress shirt an in the off-season. They are bulked up. Chubby if you like. But they know what kind of muscle they want to put on and don’t give a fuck what anyone else says on the way there. Dorian caught a lot of flak on how he looked at the Night of Champions at roughly 300LBS. So what? Did you see what he looked like at the 95 Olympia? DOMINATED is the word.

[spartan.]

Hvala za tako obširen odgovor. Bom v kratkem prilepil sliko.

[gazda09]

-30kg v 7 mesecih, izgubit še -12kg, torej skupaj bi moglo bit -42kg v 10 mesecih, ketonska trka na vrata.

[Sebastjan Simler]

hehe -18kg v 3 tednih  ma ne se bat, sem bil ko vodni balonček prej tako, da... 

[gazda09]

Kako ti je pa to uspelo?

[Sebastjan Simler]

Kako ti je pa to uspelo?

kot sem napisal, bil sem kot vodni balonček - ogromno vezane podkožne tekočine, ki se s spremembo diete nato lepo uravna. torej ne gre za izgubo TELESNE MASE ampak samo izgubo TELESNE TEŽE. to je velika rzalika, ki je dosti ljudi ne razume.

[Wajduc]

182cm mam pa 70kg... jz bi sou takoj na maso, sam ko mi gre res na živce maščoba na trebuhu :S

Ma kakšnih 65 kg? To je 17 kg pod na grobo rečeno, idealno težo. To je skor 30 kil manj kot jih imam sedaj jaz pa še 2 cm si višji od mene Ma kaj si ti nor?
Začni delat na masi,...manjka ti vsaj 5 kil mišic in pol skuriš še kar maš maščobe. Boš videl da ko se bodo mišice prikazale, to kar te sedaj moti, niti opazu ne boš  . No če hočeš bit, kot pravi gapi, kot pajek, pa kar pali dalje.

[AM92]

Ma kakšnih 65 kg? To je 17 kg pod na grobo rečeno, idealno težo.

Tehtnica je po mojem mnenju zadnja stvar, ki se je mora nekdo, ki hujša držati. Sam menim, da je najboljše, če se ravnaš po ogledalu ter počutju.